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the incumbent was ronald reagan and got his clock cleaned by mondale. trying to win the first debates against their challengers was 0-3. the next time an incumbent president is facing a challenger is 1992. the incumbent president is george h.w. bush. his major party challenger is a young man from arkansas. there's also this other guy with the big ears and it's the other guy with the big ears who wins the first debate. >> the day after, victory for perot. clinton hold his own. trouble for the president. there's no one scorecard for determining who won and who lost last night, but a consensus does seem to be emerging. ross perot, the star of the night because no one knew what to expect. bill clinton just good enough. and president bush, he'll have to do much better. >> by morning, what had been last night's analysis had become conventional wiwisdom. in the headlines. on the "today" show. >> clinton did what he had to do and bush did not. >> and in instant polls. >> those polls show the president finishing third among people who watched the first debate. >
the incumbent was ronald reagan and got his clock cleaned by mondale. trying to win the first debates against their challengers was 0-3. the next time an incumbent president is facing a challenger is 1992. the incumbent president is george h.w. bush. his major party challenger is a young man from arkansas. there's also this other guy with the big ears and it's the other guy with the big ears who wins the first debate. >> the day after, victory for perot. clinton hold his own. trouble for...
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we cover elections, not economics generally, but ronald reagan was re-elected with a 7.2% because he said it was the morning in america. optimism was what he sold. he was able to say 7.2% is great news, great news. he got re-elected with 49 states. he lost minnesota and the district of columbia with 7.2%. what should obama get with 7.8%? it seems like it's within the range there and everybody is pooh-poohing it and, oh, geez. i know why jack welch is scared, that number is too damn close to reagan's number. >> i think how this works with the president's narrative is that we're moving in the right direction, don't change -- you know, don't change horses, don't go back to a playbook that demonstrably didn't work, the george bush supply side stuff that he can legitimately tie to mitt romney. he had a narrative that said the economy is moving in the right direction, and i think this job report actually strengthens that narrative. and much more than levels of variables like the level of the employment rate, it's momentum that i think forms voters' views on the economy. >> i think it was i
we cover elections, not economics generally, but ronald reagan was re-elected with a 7.2% because he said it was the morning in america. optimism was what he sold. he was able to say 7.2% is great news, great news. he got re-elected with 49 states. he lost minnesota and the district of columbia with 7.2%. what should obama get with 7.8%? it seems like it's within the range there and everybody is pooh-poohing it and, oh, geez. i know why jack welch is scared, that number is too damn close to...
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the second is you basically have a bargain which ronald reagan had, which is i will lower the rates and eliminate various deductions to get down to that rate. the governor himself last night said one of the business tax deductions might well be the oil and gas tax deduction which might well disappear as a part of a process of getting to lower rates. so we've seen it done before. it was done in '86 by ronald reagan in a bipartisan manner, and i think that you would see the governor, who has worked with a very democratic legislature in massachusetts, be bipartisan but let me give you one minor example of why i think it's sometimes frustrating to get into who's telling the truth. there are no definitions by which donald trump is a small business. >> wait, wait, wait. >> none. >> can i jump in here? >> well, there is. >> he took all the time last time. >> if you're a saudi sheikh, technically donald trump's a small businessman. there's an example for you. >> before we move off of this, because i see what has happened here, is there's another sliding away. nobody's explaining how this $5 tri
the second is you basically have a bargain which ronald reagan had, which is i will lower the rates and eliminate various deductions to get down to that rate. the governor himself last night said one of the business tax deductions might well be the oil and gas tax deduction which might well disappear as a part of a process of getting to lower rates. so we've seen it done before. it was done in '86 by ronald reagan in a bipartisan manner, and i think that you would see the governor, who has...
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mitt romney, and i'm not comparing it to 1980 and ronald reagan being an appealing alternative, but jimmy carter, not a bad alternative. i think that could eat into the president's support and more than just the undecided voter support. what do you think? >> not necessarily. because what voters too often and we see this and a lot of data. they complain and gripe, especially well as down in the polls. when it comes down to it on election day they usually hold their nose, suck it up and vote for their party leader. that is why we have undecided voters. usually if you're a member of your party by election day you aren't going to vote for the guy neil: i know you do this in far more exhaustive detail that idea, but i am old and remember 1980 and to remember that the undecided voters at the time, jumped either ronald reagan or jimmy carter. it turns out a lot more did. i'm not saying that there is some truth to what you're saying. those who are leery of that party or the candidate of that party would jump, could jump if they are disenchanted enough with their own who choice or intrigued enough
mitt romney, and i'm not comparing it to 1980 and ronald reagan being an appealing alternative, but jimmy carter, not a bad alternative. i think that could eat into the president's support and more than just the undecided voter support. what do you think? >> not necessarily. because what voters too often and we see this and a lot of data. they complain and gripe, especially well as down in the polls. when it comes down to it on election day they usually hold their nose, suck it up and...
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that's not the way -- that ronald reagan negotiated. that's know the way i have ever negotiated. >> greta: you imagine president clinton, his name came up twice with president obama, using him as an example. should he -- is that a fair comparison, comparing himself with president clinton? >> well, as you know, president clinton has a very good approval rating. but to compare what he has done in our failure in this fiscal cliff and sequestration wees are facing to what president clinton did, after he lost in the off-year lec elections, he sat down with bob dole and newt gingrich and they reform welfare and put themselves on a path to a balanced budget. the same way that ronald reagan did with tip o'neill. they sat down and they negotiated. this president doesn't do that. and that's, in my view, something that has caused huge frustration amongst the american people. why last night he said, well... the reason why we don't go across the aisle is because have you to say no sometimes? is that the basis of it? i don't think so. >> greta: you k
that's not the way -- that ronald reagan negotiated. that's know the way i have ever negotiated. >> greta: you imagine president clinton, his name came up twice with president obama, using him as an example. should he -- is that a fair comparison, comparing himself with president clinton? >> well, as you know, president clinton has a very good approval rating. but to compare what he has done in our failure in this fiscal cliff and sequestration wees are facing to what president...
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bush did and what ronald reagan did. >> there is one element of truth. did the deduction side. the truth is the entire thing is up to congress. the president proposes the notion of the way that he should go. the side thea that he can stand up there and not tell anyone in america what he will veto if congress tries to do their mortgage deduction is a complete altercation of it. >> in which what you are supposed to do as a president is tell the american people and i guess congress the popular part of what you would do but it would be overstepping to sell to them the tough parts required to make it work. and if the president isn't going to be able to go out and get support for the hard parts. the tax cut part, that is the easy bit. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> coming up, paul ryan keeps saying it takes too long to explain the math of his budget plan. but i think joe biden will let him have all the time that he needs let's week and later it is mitt romney versus big bird and in the rewrite what really happened in that debate last night. [ female announcer ] with swiffer
bush did and what ronald reagan did. >> there is one element of truth. did the deduction side. the truth is the entire thing is up to congress. the president proposes the notion of the way that he should go. the side thea that he can stand up there and not tell anyone in america what he will veto if congress tries to do their mortgage deduction is a complete altercation of it. >> in which what you are supposed to do as a president is tell the american people and i guess congress the...
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what i do is the same way that tip o'neil and ronald reagan worked together some years ago, when ronald reagan ran for office he laid out the principles he was going to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. you said the same thing. you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles i want to bring down the tax burden on middle-income families and i want to work with congress to say what are the various ways we can wring down deductions. one way would be to have a single number. make up a number, $25,000, $50,000. anybody can have deduction up to that amount. and then that number disappears for high-income people. that's one way one could do it. one could follow bowles-simpson and take deduction by deduction. there are alternatives to pleas the objective i have which is tow bring down rates, broaden the base, simplify the code, and create incentives for growth. with regards to health care, you had remarkable details with regard to my reexisting conditions plan. you obviously studied up on my plan. in fact
what i do is the same way that tip o'neil and ronald reagan worked together some years ago, when ronald reagan ran for office he laid out the principles he was going to foster. he said he was going to lower tax rates. he said he was going to broaden the base. you said the same thing. you're going to simplify the tax code, broaden the base. those are my principles i want to bring down the tax burden on middle-income families and i want to work with congress to say what are the various ways we...
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he said that not since jimmy carter faced ronald reagan that the democrats have not been embarrassingly recognize. he just did not have any energy and the debate tactics were completely wrong for the audience. for someone who has coached debates obama made some serious rookie mistakes. he did not look at the camera all the time, you should be looking at your opponent as if you want to basically kill him. are we going to look at the findings? i think that if you are a democrat then you are looking for redemption. this will be a fun debate and it will be a party. >> you can follow michael on ducky block. you can tune into comcast 193 and again the vice president debate will be on october 11th s 6:00 p.m.. >> will him right now i wish i was back in the studio because it is cold. temperatures are in the low 60s. this is fleet week so we are out here celebrating. there have been a lot of marines walking around. let's take a look at the flea week for tests. usually in october we have very good weather but for today and for the rest of the weekend it will be cool. also cool temperatures. tempe
he said that not since jimmy carter faced ronald reagan that the democrats have not been embarrassingly recognize. he just did not have any energy and the debate tactics were completely wrong for the audience. for someone who has coached debates obama made some serious rookie mistakes. he did not look at the camera all the time, you should be looking at your opponent as if you want to basically kill him. are we going to look at the findings? i think that if you are a democrat then you are...
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>> i think it's premature in the sense in 1980 ronald reagan was running a bad campaign by lots of standards. he made a comment that trees pollute and that didn't go over well. he did say that. i'm serious. he made lots of other gaffes, but he went on to be president beating carter by quite a bit. i think romney is looking for a message. he produced a huge number of ads looking for something. maybe something comes out of the debate. this electorate is pretty hardened, and obama should be up by a point or two given the economy. that's where we are. so romney has not run a great campaign so far, but maybe this debate provides a springboard. we'll see. >> we will see. john gear, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all the focus is on the candidates this month. october is also important for another reason. it's got something to do with this. >> we can handle gimpy and the at that rant at that heads, because our invitation was not based on barf and mike and molly as part of the crew. >> i guess we're not in the crew anymore. >> you know, i was kind of hoping you'd say that. >> with that, order
>> i think it's premature in the sense in 1980 ronald reagan was running a bad campaign by lots of standards. he made a comment that trees pollute and that didn't go over well. he did say that. i'm serious. he made lots of other gaffes, but he went on to be president beating carter by quite a bit. i think romney is looking for a message. he produced a huge number of ads looking for something. maybe something comes out of the debate. this electorate is pretty hardened, and obama should be...
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i compare the the campaign i ran with ronald reagan had an off night, he was ten points ahead and basically went on to win by 18. he had a very strong second debate. lou: every candidate should try to emulate? >> my sense is this president came under attack on both his performance, his own performance , his policies, and the good thing is once again romney kept coming back. this is what you do to create jobs. it was almost editorial. lou: editorial. he took to school. and you really see this -- >> you mentioned tonight. i want to repeal the franc. he says medicare should be a voucher. the you think these are popular policies? president obama said if you have such great plans for what you're going to do to replace dodd-frank. >> don't keep a secret. he did not produce. lou: the only thing i actually heard the president's taken i did not hear him say what you just said, by the way. i heard and basically say that if you have a secret it because you don't want it to be heard because it's too good. >> i have heard debate contrivances like that tie just as you have over the course of our career.
i compare the the campaign i ran with ronald reagan had an off night, he was ten points ahead and basically went on to win by 18. he had a very strong second debate. lou: every candidate should try to emulate? >> my sense is this president came under attack on both his performance, his own performance , his policies, and the good thing is once again romney kept coming back. this is what you do to create jobs. it was almost editorial. lou: editorial. he took to school. and you really see...
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remember ronald reagan in 1984. he seemed so out of it. the people were wondering whether he was too old to be president. i think they are simply not ever questioned. they are never held to task like this. megyn: accept your former boss. >> in america we ought to put together a question hour like they have in parliament in the u.k. that would keep the president on their toes. inside the white house there is a bubble where the president does not have to parry like that with another individual. that exposed a weakness in obama. he was not used to that. this was romney's 20th debate in the last year, year and a half. i think we'll see a different president obama next time. megyn: i want to pick up on that. jonah, when we saw president obama yesterday afternoon this time back in front of the teleprompter he sounding like his old self. he had the good lines and the quick firey retoarts and some zingers. average course his supporters were say where was he last night? but others are saying because that guy can't exist without the teleprompter. it
remember ronald reagan in 1984. he seemed so out of it. the people were wondering whether he was too old to be president. i think they are simply not ever questioned. they are never held to task like this. megyn: accept your former boss. >> in america we ought to put together a question hour like they have in parliament in the u.k. that would keep the president on their toes. inside the white house there is a bubble where the president does not have to parry like that with another...
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bush, ronald reagan was in the white house ronald reagan of take naps during the middle of the day fame, he was president of the united states while john sununu was governor and he probably never would have said of ronald reagan that he is lazy. >> that's a really really good point you make. because you could legitimately say he did not prepare for the debate. >> certainly on style points. but when you take a look at barack obama substancively, the man -- this is a part of a right-wing theme that has been going on out there, mean, i hate that word but this is part of a right-wing theme that said that barack obama is not prepared to be president of the united states, he is the dumbest president of the united states i heard a woman say on the radio, and i think we know who the dumbest president of the united states was -- >> you don't have to go that far far back. >> i think to call him a dumb man is not credible. this is not the first time that john sununu did this. we have some sound from earlier in the year. >> let me tell you what the big problem with this president is in my opinion,
bush, ronald reagan was in the white house ronald reagan of take naps during the middle of the day fame, he was president of the united states while john sununu was governor and he probably never would have said of ronald reagan that he is lazy. >> that's a really really good point you make. because you could legitimately say he did not prepare for the debate. >> certainly on style points. but when you take a look at barack obama substancively, the man -- this is a part of a...
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that was ronald reagan, who won the election with a rate of 7.4%. so, the question is, can mr. obama win one like the giper or is the number still bad enough to doom his hopes? well, cue mitt romney. that's what happened today. his team is furiously pointing out how many people are underemployed. last month's household survey found 582,000 of the jobs created involved part time workers who wanted to be full time. plus, no one should forget all the people who have stopped looking for work. romney says this new number or not is not what a recovery looks like. >> the truth is, if the same share of people were participating in the workforce, today is on the day the president got elected, our unemployment rate would be around 11%. >> "outfront" tonight, ali vels velshi, ethan and a former staff member for president oba's national commission on fiscal responsibility and reform, daniel mitchell, senior fellow at the cato institute. alan, the numbers sound good. are they? >> i don't care. i'm going to go one further than erin. not only does the absolute number of the unemployment perce
that was ronald reagan, who won the election with a rate of 7.4%. so, the question is, can mr. obama win one like the giper or is the number still bad enough to doom his hopes? well, cue mitt romney. that's what happened today. his team is furiously pointing out how many people are underemployed. last month's household survey found 582,000 of the jobs created involved part time workers who wanted to be full time. plus, no one should forget all the people who have stopped looking for work....
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ronald reagan brought them to washington who said, we have to change the law. >> i've been trying to tell everybody, i'm a conservative. i'm trying to conserve the voting rights act, conserve affirmative action. i'm the conservative. so glad jeffrey toobin came on the show to affirm that for me. >> that's my goal, rev. >> jeffrey toobin. the book is, the oath, the obama white house and the supreme court. you need to read it and get ready for this year. thanks for being here tonight, jeff. we'll be right back. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one a model year newer. call... and ask one of our insurance experts about it today. hello?! we believe our customers do their best out there in the world, and we do everything we can to be there for them when they need us. [car alarm blaring] call now and also ask about our 24/7 support and service. call...
ronald reagan brought them to washington who said, we have to change the law. >> i've been trying to tell everybody, i'm a conservative. i'm trying to conserve the voting rights act, conserve affirmative action. i'm the conservative. so glad jeffrey toobin came on the show to affirm that for me. >> that's my goal, rev. >> jeffrey toobin. the book is, the oath, the obama white house and the supreme court. you need to read it and get ready for this year. thanks for being here...
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and if you are sort of only peripherally engaged or not the superengaged person, ronald reagan was not engaged in every detail, he could have the stam no-- stamina to do t but obama is engaged in everything. and i do think there is a sense of fat agency that one senses around the white house and one senses around him. nd so to get the passion that he had in 2008, i think is just hard given everything he's been through. >> you think that explains, mark, partly what happened? >> it may well, judy. 48 hours later, first of all, just a personal note, i have speculated on debate night that the president's passive performance and it was quite passive, listless, may have been attributed in part to john kerry, his sparring partner in the prep sessions who is a leading contender to be secretary of state maybe not going tough toe-to-toe to him. my subsequent reporting has, in fact, contradicted that. john kerry, i was told by two eye witnesses was actually tougher inside than mitt romney was with barack obama. >> woodruff: so that's not it. >> no, i don't think that-- i do think what we conclude
and if you are sort of only peripherally engaged or not the superengaged person, ronald reagan was not engaged in every detail, he could have the stam no-- stamina to do t but obama is engaged in everything. and i do think there is a sense of fat agency that one senses around the white house and one senses around him. nd so to get the passion that he had in 2008, i think is just hard given everything he's been through. >> you think that explains, mark, partly what happened? >> it...
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ronald reagan and tip o'neill -- they probably did not agree on much of anything, and yet they were able to have an affable relationship and be decent to one another and not to reach other down in the process. we have to get back to that and keep talking about this. that is why again, governor schwarzenegger, i want to thank you for getting started. if we do not do a bill not happen. >-- it will not happen. >> i recently spoke to the senate press secretaries. the two senators from pennsylvania, senator toomey and senator casey, had the two men themselves and their staff -- had a softball game. they had a good time. they went out and place of all, had a few beers. they put it up under facebook pages and both of them told me that they got absolute vituperative remarks from their supporters, saying, how could you possibly consort with the enemy like that? the senator from their own state. you would think that there would be a certain common interests here. but that was the reaction of the voters. bill, you had your hand up -- anybody who wants to take this, take a. >> i would say, i think w
ronald reagan and tip o'neill -- they probably did not agree on much of anything, and yet they were able to have an affable relationship and be decent to one another and not to reach other down in the process. we have to get back to that and keep talking about this. that is why again, governor schwarzenegger, i want to thank you for getting started. if we do not do a bill not happen. >-- it will not happen. >> i recently spoke to the senate press secretaries. the two senators from...
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former administrative assistant to president ronald reagan. they arrived at sun up, left at sundown, about 13 hours on the ground. they collected evidence for about three hours' time. what more do you have on that? >> this is a month later. there are so many problems with this it's hard to know where to start. there was an intelligence failure, why did we not know that there were attacks planned on the ambassador. there had been a number, a string of attacks leading up to this attack. an intelligence failure. two, a security failure. why? in the light of all the security warnings did they not provide the security? who made that decision? and that really is the third point, who made the decision, whose policy was it to not provide adequate security for a united states ambassador in united states territory. for that i think the blame game has started. bill: let me stop you there, because you worked in washington, you know how this works. whose responsibility is it to make a decision to protect the u.s. ambassador overseas? >> i was in the white
former administrative assistant to president ronald reagan. they arrived at sun up, left at sundown, about 13 hours on the ground. they collected evidence for about three hours' time. what more do you have on that? >> this is a month later. there are so many problems with this it's hard to know where to start. there was an intelligence failure, why did we not know that there were attacks planned on the ambassador. there had been a number, a string of attacks leading up to this attack. an...
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reagan. do you buy that? the person he's talking against doesn't. cornell belcher and ralph reed join us. stay tuned. 0ñ@ñfÑ >>> welcome back. in raw politics tonight, more on president obama's performance last night in denver, as we have been reporting president obama himself knows that he lost the debate. he's upset about it. here to talk about it tonight, obama 2012 pollster, cornell belcher. also, ralph reed. chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. cornell, bored, aloof, some said even arrogant. those are some of the words used today and last night to describe president obama on that stage. what exactly was the strategy heading into this? was there a strategy? >> what you saw last night from the president was the president trying to lay out the facts to those few undecided voters that are still out there. here's our plan, here's how we want to move the country forward versus mitt romney and his plan about moving the country forward. the problem with the debate last night is that o
reagan. do you buy that? the person he's talking against doesn't. cornell belcher and ralph reed join us. stay tuned. 0ñ@ñfÑ >>> welcome back. in raw politics tonight, more on president obama's performance last night in denver, as we have been reporting president obama himself knows that he lost the debate. he's upset about it. here to talk about it tonight, obama 2012 pollster, cornell belcher. also, ralph reed. chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. cornell, bored, aloof,...